Thank you so much for reading my piece and engaging so thoughtfully! I really appreciate it. I think we actually completely agree on the contours of the problem here, especially the need to design cooperative mechanisms based on reality rather than imagined goodwill — it’s why I spilled a lot of ink on the problem of sincerity on the American side.
Chinese researchers & labs are not obliging agents of the government. What I tried to argue (perhaps not very clearly) in the piece was that due to recent events and actions from the US side, these folks have arrived at conclusions that are strikingly similar to the PRC’s longstanding view of international relations, despite not being part of the propaganda apparatus. That’s a new — and in my view, radical — phenomenon.
Anyways, thank you for the constructive feedback and food for thought!
Radical or not, we’re all pretty much the same: we need to eat, sleep, worry about rent, and think about buying a new phone while memory prices keep rising.
I think we all need Chinese milk tea in our lives. I’ll probably need mine with less sugar.
Nuance I missed, I owe your article another read. Yes. One needn't be under a spell cast by propagandists, but merely to have one's attention painfully drawn to US corporate and governmental behavior in order to be "radicalized". To be going about your business and then have to contend with bad behavior and demands to have certain opinions -- well.
The reception over here, and perhaps elsewhere, of Liu Shengyu's article seems to have passed over the lament about craft to seize upon headline matters. Too bad. What I hope for is that those of good will, our craftsmen and China's, can and will have a part in a shared reality based cooperation. It's an exciting field, and times.
I haven't made it over to ChinaTalk yet to read that article, but my observations, without reference to any International Relations intrigues, are that China's AI program is China-centered, pragmatically focused on use in commerce, industry, and so on. They have plenty to do without engaging in the financialized competition our big AI players are wasting resources on or otherwise copying or trying to match their business or product offerings. In the course of their regular business, they are near surpassing the US on the matter of AI itself.
I confess to surprise at myself for holding this opinion, but it is informed by my experience looking for lower cost tokens, a pretty mundane motivation! For anyone who hasn't looked at AI use and services in China, it is a bustling other world unconcerned with us.
I'm not extending my enthusiasm to politics internal and external wrt China, and am open to a good argument to "Radicalizes" in that sphere, but I have a hunch I won't be persuaded.
And, a strong majority of the commenters on the CT article seemed unpersuaded. In the midst of presenting its argument, plenty of description of the already radicalized seizing on a new vehicle on which to project their realpolitik totalitarian fever dreams explained all the vehement racket drowning out the reasonable.
Thank you so much for reading my piece and engaging so thoughtfully! I really appreciate it. I think we actually completely agree on the contours of the problem here, especially the need to design cooperative mechanisms based on reality rather than imagined goodwill — it’s why I spilled a lot of ink on the problem of sincerity on the American side.
Chinese researchers & labs are not obliging agents of the government. What I tried to argue (perhaps not very clearly) in the piece was that due to recent events and actions from the US side, these folks have arrived at conclusions that are strikingly similar to the PRC’s longstanding view of international relations, despite not being part of the propaganda apparatus. That’s a new — and in my view, radical — phenomenon.
Anyways, thank you for the constructive feedback and food for thought!
Radical or not, we’re all pretty much the same: we need to eat, sleep, worry about rent, and think about buying a new phone while memory prices keep rising.
I think we all need Chinese milk tea in our lives. I’ll probably need mine with less sugar.
Nuance I missed, I owe your article another read. Yes. One needn't be under a spell cast by propagandists, but merely to have one's attention painfully drawn to US corporate and governmental behavior in order to be "radicalized". To be going about your business and then have to contend with bad behavior and demands to have certain opinions -- well.
The reception over here, and perhaps elsewhere, of Liu Shengyu's article seems to have passed over the lament about craft to seize upon headline matters. Too bad. What I hope for is that those of good will, our craftsmen and China's, can and will have a part in a shared reality based cooperation. It's an exciting field, and times.
Thank you for this kind spirited comment.
I haven't made it over to ChinaTalk yet to read that article, but my observations, without reference to any International Relations intrigues, are that China's AI program is China-centered, pragmatically focused on use in commerce, industry, and so on. They have plenty to do without engaging in the financialized competition our big AI players are wasting resources on or otherwise copying or trying to match their business or product offerings. In the course of their regular business, they are near surpassing the US on the matter of AI itself.
I confess to surprise at myself for holding this opinion, but it is informed by my experience looking for lower cost tokens, a pretty mundane motivation! For anyone who hasn't looked at AI use and services in China, it is a bustling other world unconcerned with us.
I'm not extending my enthusiasm to politics internal and external wrt China, and am open to a good argument to "Radicalizes" in that sphere, but I have a hunch I won't be persuaded.
It’s understandable to remain unconvinced, but nobody wants Dario as their AI parent.
And, a strong majority of the commenters on the CT article seemed unpersuaded. In the midst of presenting its argument, plenty of description of the already radicalized seizing on a new vehicle on which to project their realpolitik totalitarian fever dreams explained all the vehement racket drowning out the reasonable.
Thanks for publishing your counter to it.